Maud Alice Watkins

Undated photo (personal collection); most likely taken between 1912-1913

Maud Alice Watkins is my Great Great Grandmother through my Grandmother on my mother’s side.

I actually do not have a lot of documents other than census records for Maud. I cannot find a christening document that would normally give information about her birth nor can I find a parish document for her marriage to Alfred John Langford. Finally, I also cannot find a parish burial record for her death. This is a similar finding for all of her siblings as well. The lack of finding these documents (which I submit may be because they have not been scanned and indexed), may suggest that she did not come from a religious family and that she remained that way throughout her life. This is of course speculation, but it has made it difficult to piece her life together for reasons as I will elaborate below. Therefore, I will present the evidences that I have been able to gather about her.

According to the Free BMD Death index, and the numerous census records, her approximate year of birth was 1879, and she was born in Gravesend, Kent, England. She is the youngest child of Henry John Alexander Watkins and Mary Elizabeth French. Just from the few records that I do have of her, it seems she lived a rough childhood. She first appears in the 1881 Census as a one/two year old child. Her father is listed as a widower, meaning Maud’s mother had passed away sometime in the year after her birth. Further research made it clearer that Mary Elizabeth passed away in 1880, just a year or less after Maud’s birth. Being a single parent is hard enough, but Maud’s father was a pilot of ships and was probably absent on a frequent basis. This may explain why Henry’s mother Charlotte was living in their home at the time of the census, to help take care of the children.

1881 Census (Henry John Watkins was on the end of one page and the rest of the family was on the next, hence the split) (1)

Disaster struck again in young Maud’s life when her father passed away in 1888 when she was less than nine years old. We next find Maud in the 1891 census, and she is a ward of the Merchant Seamens Orphan Asylum in Wanstead/Snaresbrook, England. I do not have the date of her admittance to the orphanage, but it must have been fairly soon after her father’s death in 1888. According to historians “The aims of the charity were 'to afford relief to the orphans of seamen in the Merchant Service by providing for them clothing, education, and maintenance, and by assisting to place them, on leaving the Asylum, in situations where an honest livelihood may be secured'” (1^st Par., http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/SnaresbrookSeamen/).

1891 Census (2)

Royal Merchant Seamen's Orphanage, Snaresbrook, 1862. © Peter Higginbotham
(note: This orphanage building still stands today and is called the Wanstead Hospital. It is currently used as luxury apartments, see http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/5421919.HISTORY__A_look_into_the_past_of_Wanstead_Hospital/)

It actually seems to have been quite difficult to gain admittance to the orphanage. According to the source I quoted previously “Because the number of applicants invariably far outweighed the number of available places, the criteria for admission were deliberately strict. The child's father must have died during active duty at sea. No more than two children from the same family could reside in the Asylum at the same time” (5^th Par.). Maud was probably admitted because her father Henry died due to some kind of incident on the water for his job as a ship pilot. Not only then did Maud’s mother pass away when she was just an infant, but her father also died suddenly in her adolescence, probably due to some tragic incident on the water.

However, it does not seem like she allowed these incidences in her youth to deprive her of life. I do not have too much more information about her, but she eventually got out of the orphanage and made her way back to Gravesend, where she married Alfred John Langford in 1904 (see 1911 Census). Maud and Alfred had three children together: Cyril, Leslie George, and Marjorie.

1911 Census (3)

Undated photo (although most likely between 1912-1913 because of baby Marjorie) (personal collection). Unknown adults to the left. Elder woman center is Sarah Hills with baby Marjorie. Alfred John Langford is adult male standing right. Maud Alice is adult female sitting right. Young boys are Leslie George (left) and Cyril (right).

We do know a little bit about her character because her son-in-law Robert John Turner wrote of both Maud and Alfred that they “…were very wonderful people. I liked them very much as I did to the end of their lives on earth” (Robert John Turner recollection dated April 14^th, 1979). According to the Free BMD Death Index, Maud passed away in December 1964 in Dartford, Kent.

Marjorie with Maud and Alfred Langford; undated photo (personal collection)

(1)"England and Wales Census, 1881," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQHQ-86B : accessed 12 March 2016), Maud Alice Watkins in household of Henry John A Watkins, Milton-Next-Gravesend, Kent, England; from "1881 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing p. 34, PRO RG 11/873 / 20, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 1,341,207.

(2)Census Returns of England and Wales, 1891. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1891. Class: RG12; Piece: 1352; Folio: 144; Page: 12; GSU roll: 6096462

(3)"England and Wales Census, 1911," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWD6-ZHX : accessed 12 March 2016), Maude Alice Langford, Gravesend, East Gravesend, Kent, England; from "1911 England and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 14, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.

Alfred John Langford

Undated Photo (personal collection)

Alfred John Langford is my Great Great Grandfather through my Grandmother on my mom’s side.

Alfred was born on March 22^nd 1875 in Gravesend, Kent, England. According to my research, he was the youngest child of William George Langford and Sarah Hills. Alfred was christened just a few months after his birth on May 9^th (I only have information from an indexed record, not a scanned copy of the record). We first see him in the 1881 England Census as a six year old. He is listed as a scholar in that census, which means that his family may have had some means to allow all of the young children to be educated. One interesting note to this census is that the census specifically lists their address as the Baker’s Shop at 13 Russell Street. The family lived above the bakery where his father worked as a baker and confectioner.   

1881 Census (1)

We next find Alfred in the 1891 Census. At the age of 16 he is still living at home with most of his family from the previous census in the same address at 13 Russell St, which is still specifically called the baker’s shop. He is listed as being a plumber’s apprentice, which suggests that he did not want to participate in the family bakery business. The census shows that at least three of Alfred’s siblings (Thomas, Emily, and George) all were bakers or worked at the shop in some form, but Alfred decided to take a more handyman route.

1891 Census (2)

Alfred is still living at home at the age of 26 in the 1901 census. However, the family is no longer living in the baker’s shop, but they are still living in Gravesend. His father has passed away, his mother is now the head of household, and only a few of his siblings still live together. Alfred is listed as a “journeyman” with specific emphasis as a house painter. A journeyman was an individual that was trained to perform a craft but was not yet a master (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman). Therefore, Alfred must have apprenticed being a painter and was employed to do so.

1901 Census (3)

Alfred (and Maud, for that matter) married at an older age. Alfred married Maud Alice Watkins in 1904 in Gravesend, Kent. I do not have the marriage record, and the best evidence I have of their marriage date is the Free BMD Marriage index that lists Alfred and Maud on the same page for where the actual marriage is located.

We find Alfred and Maud (and two of their children) together in the 1911 census. They are still living in Gravesend. He is listed as a ship painter in the census, which means he continued with the painting career from the previous census.

1911 Census (4)

Alfred and Maud had three children together: Cyril Alfred Langford, Leslie George Langford, and Marjorie Phyllis Langford (who is my Great Grandmother).

Undated Photo (personal collection). The two standing adults to the left are not known. Alfred is adult male standing right. Maud Alice is adult woman sitting right. Elderly woman sitting is presumably Sarah Hills. She is holding baby Marjorie. Young boys are Leslie and Cyril. While the photo is undated, Marjorie is probably under a year old, which make this photo in the 1912-1913 range.

They lived in Gravesend throughout their lives. According to the Free BMD Death Index, Alfred passed away in June 1957 in Dartford, Kent. Dartford is just a few miles west of Gravesend, so this supports the general narrative of where they lived.

Alfred John Turner, undated (personal collection)

My Great Grandfather Robert John Turner, who married Alfred’s daughter Marjorie, recounted in a recording dated April 14^th, 1979 that when he was courting Marjorie she “…asked me to visit her Mother and Father, who as you know, were very wonderful people. I liked them very much as I did to the end of their lives on earth.” He also recounted a specific interaction he had with Alfred. After Robert and Marjorie had been dating for almost two years, they had an argument because Marjorie wanted to get married while Robert was not ready. He actually stopped talking to her for a day because of the row, and Robert recalls that “…on the second night that I did not call for Marjorie, her father, Mr. Langford, came to see me at my parent’s home in [uninterpretable]. And he said that Marjorie was very upset. I told him that I also was very unhappy, ‘But Mr. Langford, we could not get married at our age. I love Marjorie very much, but without money, it would be the wrong thing to do. It would not help us to happiness.’ He said, ‘You are quite right Bob, just go on being friends.’ The following evening, I was back again once more with my beautiful…Marjorie.” I appreciate Alfred stepping in and helping to mediate the situation or I might not be here today!

Marjorie with Langfords, undated (personal collection)

(1)"England and Wales Census, 1881," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQHQ-38M : accessed 12 March 2016), Alfred J Langford in household of William G Langford, Milton-Next-Gravesend, Kent, England; from "1881 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing p. 15, PRO RG 11/872 / 64, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 1,341,207.

(2)Census Returns of England and Wales, 1891. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1891. Class: RG12; Piece: 645; Folio: 155; Page: 18; GSU roll: 6095755

(3)Census Returns of England and Wales, 1901. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives, 1901. Class: RG13; Piece: 712; Folio: 49; Page: 37

(4)Census Returns of England and Wales, 1911. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA), 1911. Class: RG14; Piece: 3822; Schedule Number: 238

Ann Catherine Price

Photo: Ann Catherine Price. Undated (personal collection)

Ann Catherine Price is my Great Great Grandmother through my grandmother on my mother’s side of the family. 

She was born on November 16^th, 1882 in Plumstead, Kent, England. She was the second child (according to the 1891 England Census) of her parents Samuel John Price and Ann Catherine Baker (after whom she is named). Besides Ann, she also went by the nicknames Annie (according to the 1911 England Census) and Nance (according to an undated photo of her, see above).

My family possesses her actual birth certificate (see below). This proves very vital information because there is no real other information that can be found with her birth information. There is a Christening record for her that records her Christening, but is silent about her birth date. Without the birth certificate, we might have assumed that Ann Catherine and Samuel John (her younger brother) were twins because they were christened on the same day (see Christening record). What this Christening record shows is that her parents may not have been as concerned about her being baptized until they had their third child, so they got her christened at the same time as the younger brother.

Ann Catherine Price birth certificate (personal collection)

Christening records for both Ann Catherine and Samuel John Price (1)

I do not know much about her childhood. However, she must have left home as soon as she became an adult because in her second census appearance (1901), she is working as a “ward maid” at Grove Hospital in London. She was only about 18 or 19 at the time of this census, so quite young. Grove Hospital was a fever hospital that specialized in administering aid to those suffering from infectious diseases including scarlet fever and diphtheria (see http://www.workhouses.org.uk/MAB-Grove/). While I do not know the specifics of her position, my own speculation is that she possibly assisted with the care of hospital ward patients.

Ann Catherine Price in 1901 England Census (emphasis my own) (2)

Grove Hospital Picture: Grove Hospital diphtheria wards from the east, c.1910. © Peter Higginbotham

Ann (presumably) remained single throughout this period of time. She eventually married widower Edmund Edward George Turner on August 1^st, 1910 in Luton, Kent. Edmund had two sons from his first marriage that were very young at their mother’s passing (see 1911 England Census). Edmund and Ann went on to have one child together, Robert John Turner (my Great Grandfather). According to the Free BMD Death index, she died in March of 1973.

Edmund Turner Household in 1911 England Census (3)

Turner Family c.1911; From left to right: Edmund (Sr.), Ronald, Robert John, Ann Catherine, Edmund Frederick

Ann Catherine Turner with sons and other unidentified individuals (she is adult woman on right side). Not dated.

I struggled trying to extend her family line for a very long time. The only information that I had to go on was the name of her father and his occupation on her marriage certificate with Edmund.

Marriage Certificate (personal collection)

For a very long time I misinterpreted that Samuel John Price’s occupation was Lawyer. When I searched records online, I made sure to include “lawyer” as a major keyword. I imagined that I would find news articles about his law cases and that he was some sort of big shot. At some point, I went back and reread the actual marriage document and discovered that I was probably reading the occupation incorrectly. It turns out that the marriage certificate actually lists his occupation as Sawyer. I had no idea what that was, but it turns out a sawyer is a real occupation. This information proved invaluable because I was finally able to identify more documents (e.g., the christening record) for Ann Catherine, but also many records for other ancestors as well. To me, this event showed the importance of re-examining records again and again to search for new insights and understanding about those individuals and their familial connections.

(1) London Metropolitan Archives, Plumstead St John the Baptist, Register of Baptism, p97/jnb1/01, Item 001

(2) Census Returns of England and Wales, 1901. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives, 1901. Class: RG13; Piece: 480; Folio: 80; Page: 7

(3) Census Returns of England and Wales, 1911. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA), 1911. Class: RG14; Piece: 3915; Schedule Number: 180

Edmund Edward George Turner

Edmund Edward George Turner is my Great Great Grandfather. We are connected through my Grandmother on my mother's side of the family. 

Edmund was born on the 28th of February 1875 in Northfleet, Kent, England to Edmund Summers Ralph Turner and Mary Ann Rachel Smith. Up to this point I have not been able to find a primary source for his birth. The best evidence I have of his birth is from his Royal Navy service record that lists his date of birth, but at best this is a secondary source for his birth. The year of his birth is mostly supported by the 1881 England Census where he first appears with his family. His approximate age of birth is 1875 according to that census, which helps to support the Royal Navy service record.

According to my best knowledge, he is the third child in his family, and the first male child. According to the 1881 Census he was listed as a scholar, or student, which makes sense given that he was six years old at the time. However, this also might show that the family had some means because education was not universally accessible in England at the time.

1881 England Census (1)

The Turners males were trained from a young age to be coopers, or barrel makers. Edmund was the third generation of Turners to become a cooper, and started coopering from a young age, at least by the age of 16 according to the 1891 Census. That census lists him employed as an apprentice cooper, most likely to his father Edmund who is listed as a Foreman Cooper in that same census.

1891 England Census (2)

As soon as Edmund became of age, he joined the Royal Navy (RN) as a cooper. Edmund enlisted in the RN on October 29^th, 1894 in the Chatham division. We can glean some really interesting things about Edmund from his RN service record. Besides his birth information, we learn that he claimed religious affiliation with the Church of England and that he could swim. Furthermore, we learn more about his stature and appearance. At the time of enlistment, he stood 5ft 5.5in tall, had a “sallow” complexion (which may have meant he had a sickly appearance), had “fair” colored hair, and had gray colored eyes. He also did not have any noticeable marks, wounds, or scars.

Edmund Edward George Turner Royal Navy Service Record (personal collection)

The RN record also provides an extensive listing of the ships he worked with as a cooper. It appears that the ship named “Pembroke” was one of the ships he most frequently worked on. In October 1916, he was listed as “Chief Cooper”, which is also around the same time that he became pensioned with the RN. It appears that he ended his time with the RN in January 1920. The record also shows that he was awarded some medals, although their names are not decipherable on the record.

Evidence from his family suggests he continued as a master cooper after he left the RN. Robert John Turner, in a letter dated 3/11/92, he describes his father with the following:

I would assume those names mentioned after the colon to be actual names of breweries and distilleries that he supplied with barrels.

Edmund first married in 1902 to Edith Florence Lipscombe in Strood, Kent. They had two sons together: Edmund Frederick (1905) and Ronald G (1907). However, Edith passed away in 1908. Edmund then remarried on August 1^st, 1910 in Luton, Kent to Ann Catherine Price, to whom I am related. They had one child together: Robert John Turner, born in 1911. Robert John Turner is my Great Grandfather. Their marriage record, listed below, became an important piece of information to continue building my family tree for Ann Price's family line. This record is interesting because Edmund’s father’s name is listed incorrectly on the record. This is something I have never been able to reconcile. It could be that he tried to distance himself from his father at the point he was remarried for reasons that will elaborated on in a future post when we discuss his father. However, the major piece that helps identify his father is the first and last names and his listed occupation as cooper. Another interesting aspect of the record is that Ann was listed as a spinster and was 27 years old when they married.

Edmund Edward George Turner and Ann Catherine Price Marriage Record (personal collection)

I do not know much about his first two children from his first marriage. I do know much more about his relationship with his third child Robert John. Robert John, in a recording, remembered that his father really wanted to push him into the coopering business. This makes a lot of sense given the tradition for young Turners to become apprentice coopers to their fathers. However, Robert decided not to take on the family career because he believed that coopering was a waning profession. His father was disappointed with this decision, but it proved to become prophetic later on.

From a probate record I was able to obtain, Edmund passed away on March 25^th, 1955 in Berkshire, England. He left behind a total of £260 to his wife Ann. 

Edmund Edward George Turner Probate Record (3)

Turner Family Photo (personal collection). Undated, but given that Robert John Turner is an infant, the picture was probably taken between 1911 and 1912. The two other boys in the photo are presumably Ronald (left) and Edmund Frederick (right).

(1) Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 1881 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

(2)Ancestry.com. 1891 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.

(3)Ancestry.com. England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010.